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Joel Did Nothing Wrong - The Importance Of Ambiguity

Sometimes the questions you ask in a story are more important than the answers, and sometimes a character's actions are neither right nor wrong. In this video, I want to take a look at the value of ambiguity in storytelling, and some examples of where it's been done well.

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  1. The Critical Drinker

    The Critical Drinker

    10 giorni fa

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    • Steve Allen

      Steve Allen

      3 ore fa

      Sit

    • Steve Allen

      Steve Allen

      3 ore fa

      Ok too tired from some consumption closer to your homeland...I’ve had an 18 yr McAllen scotch

    • I know you’re not gonna read my comment but

      I know you’re not gonna read my comment but

      Giorno fa

      I just realize the ending of Last of Us Part 1 is technically the opposite of Spider-Man PS4.

    • Hanson Tan

      Hanson Tan

      4 giorni fa

      @JangoGod True. But again, its just a minor thing. If it gets your jimmies up, then perhaps you need to steel yourself more.

    • JangoGod

      JangoGod

      4 giorni fa

      @Hanson Tan yeah I get the point he's making but surely he must understand that there's a portion of the audience that will take any negative remark, joke or not, as support for being against gay people ; why muddy such an incredible analysis video, showing off such a masterful skill in film critique? I just don't think it's worth it for the meme.

  2. TheCreeker191

    TheCreeker191

    6 ore fa

    Best quote I‘ve heard was “tlou2 is like a fan fiction written by somebody who utterly hated the first game“

  3. Brosefish1019

    Brosefish1019

    7 ore fa

    I find it kind of ridiculous that you praise ambiguity and then throw out that idea once you start talking about the sequel.

  4. Valin Rose

    Valin Rose

    11 ore fa

    Ahhhh you had me halfway through then fell off when you started to sound like everyone else, just because the 1st game was ambiguous does not mean that the 2nd needs to do the same, executing things in different fashion does not necessarily mean it was done wrong or trashed away mate. Joel WAS a bad guy, he was never a good guy except at the very beginning WHEN he lost his daughter. Joel used to be a Hunter, you know those guys that are trying to kill you and a little girl throughout the majority of the game the dudes that try to take woman and kill the men and kids? Yeah, those bad guys. Joel was very much apart of that faction; the most ambiguous part was how you play the game in the 2nd perspective for the entirety of the game leaving players to believe that Joel was THE main character when he was 2nd to Ellie. Joel is the example of what can happen to someone good when they lose what means everything to them and THEN has a redemption arc when Ellie COMES into the picture. LOU1 was subliminally a 2nd Person Perspective Game something that hardly any company does and something that seems to fly directly over peoples heads. Joel had did a lot of wrong prior to meeting Ellie, not to mention the morally wrong things he did trying to save her. There were moments when you would kill NPCs and right before you murder them, they are literally talking about going back to being with their families and how they don't want any part of what their doing and then BAM! you kill 2 handfuls of "baddies" and because your just going through it; that banter means nothing to you when in reality JOELs legit murdering good and bad people throughout their entire journey in the 1st installment Ellie even asks Joel if he was with the Hunters to where he admits it IF you choose to continue the dialog with Ellie. Btw man, you simply stating that Ellie is Gay while showing a video of her kissing Dina from the 2nd title clearly shows how little info you actually gathered cause I am sure that her being Gay was something from the 1st game unless you completely overlooked it cause it bothered you that much mate 😁 that hard for people to swallow huh?Ellie being gay has nothing and I mean ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it, it just means your arse didn't play the DLC for the 1st one. Lol They addressed everything perfectly in part 2 between Ellie and Joel if only you did a bit of listening while playing the first game and I do NOT mean just cinematics im talking about all the banter they have, hit all the dialog points and maybe you could have learned a little more about the lore of his story then you wouldn't have be so hurt about the loss of Joel. Lol I got bothered that he was taken out as well but you know what? I accepted it, cause he made a whole lot of bad/ questionable decsions that lead to the ultimate consequence. 😁 here I thought this video was gonna be one for the smart folks.. tsk tsk just another person mad about Joel not being Mr. Main MAN in part 2 😁

  5. Maria Fernanda

    Maria Fernanda

    14 ore fa

    I spent the last months of my life in an almost Tyrannic way defending the last of us 2 as the best game ever made. Everybody who disagreed was stupid had low QI or did not understand the game. I didn't even want to listen to the other side... Because the other side was full of homophobic and haters... but these days I started to listening to some reasonable voice who didn't like the game and I started to get surprise how stupid wrong I was about TLOU2. Neil actually made us hate Ellie and Joel for the only purpose of loving Abby and his gay agenda. Denying all the facts from the first game specially what happened at the fireflies' hospital. Videos like this one make me open my eyes from this insanity. I fill ashamed of myself today.

  6. Dievs Skyson

    Dievs Skyson

    15 ore fa

    Nut allergies are the result of dysgenics and a rejection of eugenics. People think literally everyone who can breed should breed. Nature rejects this idea out of hand. We will always lose against nature given enough time.

  7. MK-Ultra Breakdown

    MK-Ultra Breakdown

    21 ora fa

    Great video mate ... Shout out from Canada eh

  8. David Fennelly

    David Fennelly

    Giorno fa

    The last of us 2 is definitely a very flawed game, but I never got the sense that they were trying to condemn Joel’s actions at the end of the first game. And he justifies his actions at the end of tlou 2 in Ellie’s flashback; he tells her he would save her again if god gave him a second chance. I think that the drinker is confusing Abby’s perspective with the game’s perspective; Abby (a former firefly) understandably believed that Joel doomed humanity with his actions, but that doesn’t mean the writers also believed this.

    • crazyinsane500

      crazyinsane500

      Giorno fa

      Well, we know that the writers believed this because the specific phrasing "Joel doomed humanity" comes from Neil Druckmann himself.

  9. Edd25164605

    Edd25164605

    Giorno fa

    Unpopular opinion, I enjoyed both games

  10. Sunrie

    Sunrie

    Giorno fa

    Morality has to be based on an authority. Self cannot be the authority. 100% Deckard was not a replicant

  11. Planet Fourth Reich

    Planet Fourth Reich

    Giorno fa

    Kill the girl ? (Section) 1. Whos to say people who kill the kid are gone save anyone ? 2. Whos to say its a lie and they "JUST" want to kill her and play with her blood 3. Whos to say they were not the ones who cause this ,and they want everyone to die . Or at the very least, monopolize the cure for a powergrab? a. ( Why dont i do that myself, if this technology is so free ? If its not ,and they already monopolize that ...Then thats a clue ) 4. Whos to say there aint others around somewhere ,who has this immunity ? -------------------- (Recap) a. What guarantees you have ,that anything you have been told was not somekind of lie / half truth ? b. What guarantees you have that your personal IQ is high enough to make this call ? ------------------------ Save millions ? ( Section ) 1. Whos to say ,that hey were not the ones who F.. all of this up at the begin with ,because failure to follow simple, easy to understand directories 2. Why do it right now ? Why not 80 years from now , when this ( person of interest ) is at her death bed ? After all century in earth history is just drop in the bucket ?? Ambiguity huh ?

  12. J.J. Meredith

    J.J. Meredith

    Giorno fa

    Love your content. One thing I think you missed. Joule in his journey, decided that the world isn't even worth saving compared to Ellie. It was filled with assholes...lol

  13. L.L. Craft

    L.L. Craft

    Giorno fa

    Today's generation literally has no imagination with the internet as a big cause, everything is show, explained and instant gratification...they don't know how to think or make a decision without being told that decision

  14. Cadrieldur

    Cadrieldur

    2 giorni fa

    *Revenge is bad.* BUT, killing hundreds of people on your way to get your revenge is absolutely acceptable. As long as you don't get your revenge. *credit rolls*

  15. dr dingus

    dr dingus

    2 giorni fa

    Last of us 2 was unnecessary, even going as far as to un-do the first one.

  16. apizzathatgiant forthesimplehuddledmasses

    apizzathatgiant forthesimplehuddledmasses

    2 giorni fa

    I personally disagree. I don't think Joel's actions were retconned into "the actions of a bloodthirsty psychopath". If that were true, I don't think they would bother including all of those moments of tenderness and love he shows for Ellie (playing her the song, teaching her guitar, the entire sequence of her birthday party at the museum, following her to the hospital and obviously being worried for her well being, clearly trying not to cry at both the hospital and ending scenes, standing up to the homophobe, and telling Ellie her life matters by saying he would save her all over again). If he were "just a bloodthirsty psychopath" and we were supposed to hate him, they wouldn't have shown how deep Ellie's grief and guilt runs for him when he's killed. Why do you think he's suddenly retconned?

  17. Chaos Corner

    Chaos Corner

    2 giorni fa

    Haha. You said 'unrinalysis'.

  18. Cadrieldur

    Cadrieldur

    2 giorni fa

    *"Diverse female space Jesus came along to fix everything and save the universe."* Rey bypassed the compressor ( ಠ‿ಠ)

  19. Oblivion Pelt

    Oblivion Pelt

    2 giorni fa

    So you wanna explain the ending of last of us 2 because that shit ambiguous as fuck

  20. Roberto Rodriguez

    Roberto Rodriguez

    2 giorni fa

    EVERYONE hating on this game just cant look past Joel's death. This world is fucking cruel and though i loved joel, humanity for ellie? i love her but whats right its right. just like EVERY OTHER character in this fucked up story. First game was a masterpiece, second? nothing shorter than that. The second game had me feeling things no videogame has ever made me feel.

    • crazyinsane500

      crazyinsane500

      2 giorni fa

      "The world is cruel" Abby gets to live in a colony with infinite resources and manpower, sycophantic followers, a universe that loves her so much that anyone who opposes her (however slightly) is punished severely (often killed), is given carte blanche to go on revenge quests with people from another civilization without punishment from either her strict military hierarchy *or* the civilization itself, a ripoff of Atreus, effectively the power to psychically overwhelm her opponent with grief at the very end of the game, and in the end she gets to live on a magic fairytale island of people that will accept her and protect her from the aforementioned infinite resource colony that she betrayed and is implied to have eradicated the well-stocked vestiges of the US Government. "The world is cruel" to everyone *except* Abby.

    • Roberto Rodriguez

      Roberto Rodriguez

      2 giorni fa

      it made me fall in love with the character that murdered my character

  21. TheGuileRaven

    TheGuileRaven

    2 giorni fa

    There’s zero moral ambiguity here tbh. The second you put even the slightest bit of thought into the logistical issues of a cure, even assuming they had a 100% chance of success at creating one in the first place; and there’s pretty much no question that Joel made the right decision.

  22. Meester Smeeth

    Meester Smeeth

    2 giorni fa

    If you can be taken out by a legume, your DNA should not be allowed to replicate.

  23. Movie Day Dream

    Movie Day Dream

    2 giorni fa

    I promised myself I wouldnt watch any more TLOU2 videos, but...

  24. Márcio Lucena

    Márcio Lucena

    2 giorni fa

    Just finished The Last Of Us 2. Never again.

    • StinkFingerr

      StinkFingerr

      2 giorni fa

      Awful, isn't it?

  25. Blood Golem

    Blood Golem

    2 giorni fa

    I also love that people over look that you can find notes and writings that shows that ellie isn't the first one they found more like the 12th and they killed the other 11 without getting any closer to a cure so there's a high probability that it wouldn't work and she'd die for nothing

  26. TA Wiggins

    TA Wiggins

    2 giorni fa

    Y'all are bullshittingggg last of us 2 was gooddddd

  27. Patrick Mulholland

    Patrick Mulholland

    2 giorni fa

    Never got to play the second game is it really a libtard shit show?

  28. Emily York

    Emily York

    2 giorni fa

    Vaccines suck tho.

  29. Jacob Thomas

    Jacob Thomas

    2 giorni fa

    Ahhhh yes. A perfect game with a garbage sequel

  30. Deadwing Jockey

    Deadwing Jockey

    2 giorni fa

    It's funny how the second TLoU game has largely been forgotten about.

  31. ShadowWolfRising

    ShadowWolfRising

    2 giorni fa

    Can we also talk about the fact that the Fireflies' first reaction to cut up this literal child who was (Probably) the only person immune like a Christmas goose was........dumb? That they should have, oh I don't know, done some Blood Tests or some shit first, potentially noteworthy in that Joel probably wouldn't have objected to that. And then tried to do a Brain Biopsy which actually doesn't have a particularly high rate of death and this would have let them collect a sample. Also explainable to Joel. Also the fact that I don't think there's a single vaccine for any type of Viral Infection (Key word think, I don't know for certain.) so the Fireflies goal of making a vaccine was probably doomed from the start (Unlike the previous idea, where you could theoretically cultivate the benign strain that makes you immune, which the Brain Biopsy could provide and if ABSOLUTELY needed, could be done again, so you could harvest the Friendly Strain, INFECT EVERYONE WITH IT, and BAM possible immunity to fungus boy bites or spores. Hell the Blood Sample might have provided enough to start with which might even negate the need for the Biopsy.). But since the former plan had a basically 0% chance of failure, and the Fireflies didn't even contemplate the latter idea, Joel may very well have done NOTHING wrong, other than MAYBE being a bit murder happy in saving Ellie.

    • ShadowWolfRising

      ShadowWolfRising

      2 giorni fa

      @crazyinsane500 So what you're saying is.........Joel did nothing wrong?

    • crazyinsane500

      crazyinsane500

      2 giorni fa

      Well here's how we know that the second game was written by someone else: Because the first is loaded with so many unexplained things that do have explanations. In this case, if their plan was to do a procedure that would've killed Ellie but yielded a cure, they could've just told FEDRA about Ellie and let them actually get the cure. They have the means to distribute it the same that they have the means to distribute rations. The reason they didn't is implicit in what we see about the Fireflies, they are affable and people believe them at face value but effectively they're full of incompetent idiots who die in droves and have no long-term goals besides getting one over on FEDRA. Killing the only person who could yield something to help end the plague and using the *only* sample gathered from them as political leverage is something more in line with their ideals than working on a cure itself.

  32. Rick T

    Rick T

    2 giorni fa

    I’m glad I didn’t, and will not, pollute my memory of the ending of the first game, by playing the second.

    • Chachamaru15

      Chachamaru15

      Giorno fa

      You're honestly not missing out much. The 2nd game is stunning in the graphics department and has great gameplay, but storywise it's pretty bad:P Though I do recommend at least watching a youtube video on the museum sequence of the game, because it's a flashback to maybe a year after the 1st game ends and actually has a lot of great interactions between Joel and Ellie.

  33. Ken Teo

    Ken Teo

    2 giorni fa

    Your videos are often a reminder of how people in positions of power sometimes should not be in those positions, while others who should be in those positions, aren't. And the outcome of that is what makes the world a worse off place.

  34. Arda Lüleci

    Arda Lüleci

    2 giorni fa

    I need a hero to tell me the names of all the movies he showed in the last 34 seconds, starting with A New Hope.

  35. Dietrich Oppenheimer

    Dietrich Oppenheimer

    2 giorni fa

    Joel did nothing wrong by prioritizing the only person he was responsible for other those he was NOT responsible for. Thats not even going as far as saying "ah screw everyone else." They are responsible for themselves to not kill themselves with bad planning or foolish endeavors.

  36. Dietrich Oppenheimer

    Dietrich Oppenheimer

    2 giorni fa

    Killing the father figure has become so fetishized in the last years that it's the center of the vast majority of stories to portray any leading, father figure character to be ultimately vilified and destroyed in one permanent way or another.

  37. Dietrich Oppenheimer

    Dietrich Oppenheimer

    2 giorni fa

    The demand of the sequel is, kill the father figure, kill the father figure, KILL THE FATHER FIGURE. It's the progressive thing to do, betray him kill him, it's better this way.

  38. Dietrich Oppenheimer

    Dietrich Oppenheimer

    2 giorni fa

    So five your OWN LIFE not someone else's. One is charity, Love, the other is greed, murder, stealing of the most underhanded, backstabbing, traitorous order.

  39. Adal Marcial

    Adal Marcial

    2 giorni fa

    It might have not been his choice whether she should live or not, but it wasn’t anyone else’s choice whether she should sacrifice herself for a cure that isn’t even 100 percent full proof

  40. Alborz Ajeli

    Alborz Ajeli

    2 giorni fa

    Stick to movies Drinker, because just like with your "A beautiful Nightmare" video, you've completely missed the mark again. Yes "ambiguity" is great when done well, but there was never any "ambiguity" about the first games ending, it was pretty clear to any rational, sensible person that, despite how they may have felt about him or sympathized with his choice, what Joel did at the hospital was objectively wrong. It's not Neal's fault that a bunch of deranged young men desperately seeking out a father figure in a video game of all places decided to latch onto this character, and project whatever emotional turmoil they were going through onto him and his status in the second game. Isn't it sad that we've reached a point in which the individuals wronged by this man, having directly lost innocent friends and family because of him (alongside a somewhat "good" institution in a broken down world), need to be portrayed as the bad guys. Just so people like you can maintain your little "Joel Did Nothing Wrong" fantasy. It would be laughable if it weren't so utterly sad and desperate. This whole video was basically one long drawn out "not my Joel!", -so well done to you on adding yet another layer to the already pathetic pile of garbage that is the online critic of this game. The game had plenty of moments of subtle ambiguity, which were missed/wasted on people skimming through the game with their minds already made up following the leaks. Btw Ellie was already established as being gay in the DLC, so its not exactly anything new.. or you know, an "agenda".. but as always its good to see your bigotry out in full sight, under the guise of "anti-woke culture." Her being gay isn't shoved in your face anymore than Abby being straight, but alas people like you will be triggered at the mere fact that a gay character is in the game. It's 2021 drinker, not 1921.. you can't hate a character/game because it dared to have a none straight, white male character. All in all another fail of a video which is sure to be a hit with the rest of the triggered father issue having simpletons who boiled the main themes of the game down to "revenge bad".. seems plenty of people besides the actual reviewers and awards critics liked the game, but don't let that stop your little circle jerk here. Apparently in 2020 we've reached such a state of entitlement in the west, that we now hate on games/studios because we ourselves as the audience were too shallow, stupid or outright emotionally triggered to understand the narrative. If only they'd done another simple road trip story heyy (with no gay characters of course), instead of trying to do something never seen or experienced before.. notes for Neal next time, keep it simple, because you're dealing with some very simple people.

    • crazyinsane500

      crazyinsane500

      2 giorni fa

      TL;DR: "You're stupid and Joel was wrong!" Not even joking. The entirety of this tirade is *just* an ad-hominem with no explanation of how Joel is wrong.

  41. Neutral Tired

    Neutral Tired

    3 giorni fa

    I personally always leaned in Joel's favour because iirc the game said they might be able to make the cure, it wasn't guaranteed. It was a possibility, not a certainty, and the risk isn't worth it imo. (on a side note, it wouldn't worked anyway, they were looking in the wrong place. To make a vaccine you either need a sample of the pathogen (since they can easily get those from any infected, I'll assume they tried that and it didn't work) or antibodies. They should've been taking blood and bone-marrow samples from her, which would at worst cost her a limb if they didn't have all the necessary equipment. But since the devs probably didn't know that, meaning it wasn't intended to inform your opinion, I try to ignore it when making this decision, not that I can do so enirely, I'm only human)

  42. Max Payne

    Max Payne

    3 giorni fa

    And some time,s cigar is just a cigar :)

  43. Metroid4ever

    Metroid4ever

    3 giorni fa

    Life is not like a multiple choice test you take in school where there is one correct answer. Pick your best bet and leave it to fate.

  44. Kimmee Blakeney

    Kimmee Blakeney

    3 giorni fa

    Two things: 1) Ellie didn't consent to this procedure, at least to our knowledge, and we the players aren't given a choice in the final confrontation. And 2) show me one good, responsible parent that wouldn't do exactly what Joel did to save their child. I don't think you can. I know that if I had kids, I'd likely make the same decision. Which is exactly why the ending is so good. It's complex and lets the players form their own conclusions. I still haven't played the sequel, but I've watched so many the play-throughs and I'm confident in the fact that I don't want to

    • Adam Nicholas

      Adam Nicholas

      2 giorni fa

      yeah you wouldn't want to waste your time with that tlou2 garbage .

  45. Cecily Erker

    Cecily Erker

    3 giorni fa

    They started using peanut oil as a binder medium in vaccines and it provoked life threatening allergic immune responses to peanuts in children who received the vaccines. That’s why so many people have peanut allergies nowadays.

  46. RanMouri82

    RanMouri82

    3 giorni fa

    Thank you, Drinker. As usual, you get it. Keep doing what you do, because you're doing something good.

  47. LloronasCollection

    LloronasCollection

    3 giorni fa

    Whenever i brought up how i hated tlou2. People always responded “well joel is a shit character anyway”. Bro. What. He. What.

  48. Mike Oxmall

    Mike Oxmall

    3 giorni fa

    It's an effort to dumb down the population by giving us cookie cutter answers that us them from walking away pondering the possibilities of different outcomes and concequences for the characters depending on many poss decisions that anyone of them could have made, while at the same time getting their chance to preach whatever moral and ethical stance that they think we should ascribe to.

  49. Sean Brooks

    Sean Brooks

    3 giorni fa

    While i can understand why people might think that this was a difficult problem.. Doing medical experiments on children is wrong.

  50. ifly fsx

    ifly fsx

    3 giorni fa

    Except...the "cure" was impossible for several reasons, so there's no ambiguity here. It's a completely false dilemma. Also, we don't murder healthy individuals for medical research and some potential benefit. Not even with their "consent." So even if the "cure" was possible (which, it wasn't), the only morally right choice was to save Ellie. Also, if it wasn't for Joel, Ellie would not have survived the trip across the country to the Fireflies' hospital. She would not have gotten out of the Boston QZ alive without Joel and Tess. Before "hiring" Joel, Marlene was going to hire Robert for that job. And we know what a POS he was. So everyone giving Joel ****** for "sacrificing mankind" should get a grip.

  51. Bjorn Van Meerssche

    Bjorn Van Meerssche

    3 giorni fa

    Ellie was already gay in the first game by the way

  52. Mossy Moose

    Mossy Moose

    3 giorni fa

    i pretend tlou2 doesnt exist

  53. Paul Holt

    Paul Holt

    3 giorni fa

    Great video! Ellie is gay btw

  54. Theo Van De Velde

    Theo Van De Velde

    3 giorni fa

    If Neil Druckmann actually told people what TLOU2 was gonna be about, and if they released honest trailers, it wouldn't even be in the top 40 best selling games in the UK. Oh wait, I remember seeing a list in late september with the 40 best selling in the UK, and TLOU2 was nowhere to be seen. TLOU 1 predecessor was selling better, together with the remake of a 14 year old Pokemon spinoff... Oh, and before you make the excuse that Uncharted also exited the top 10 best selling videogames a few months after it was released, it was made in 2016, when a lot less people had a PS4.

  55. Andrew

    Andrew

    3 giorni fa

    God damn I love ambiguity, we need more of it, because it challenges the mind and makes it think, and thinking is always a good thing.

  56. Zach Sawyer

    Zach Sawyer

    3 giorni fa

    I'm sorry but I disagree with the bad comments on TLoU 2. I think what the developers were trying to do was exactly to show how being pushed by vengeance and wanting to forcibly judge someone else actions without trying to understand the point of view of the other person, why he did what he did, let you fall your life into a spiral that claims more vengeance and destroys everything else. At the end of TLoU Ellie knows that Joel Is not telling all the truth, she knows that there is something more that happened, but she and Joel went through a lot so she kinda says "ok" for the moment cause I think she had not the strength to handle more sh*t. In TLoU 2 a bit of time has passed and Ellie can not hold on to that doubt anymore so she confronts Joel. Here she makes her mistake cause, as you said in the video, she acts like a stereotypical teenager and starts a drama. But this happens because she doesn't try to understand why Joel did that, she feels betrayed cause he lied to her (and that's understandable) but she accused him to be selfish and that is not true. Ellie doesn't ask herself "What if the roles were inverted?" "what if I had to decide to sacrifice Joel to save people that I don't know, maybe also people like David and the hunters?" "What would I do in that situation?". These are the questions that also Abbie didn't ask herself. So both Ellie and Abbie keep going after each other driven only by hate and the desire for vengeance and that's why, in the end, they both end losing everything and everyone that was dear to them. P. S.: Yes, Ellie is lesbian, we kinda already understood that in TLoU Left Behind. I don't think it is something spammed casually in the game in an annoying way nor anything that bothers the plot at all, so I don't understand what's the point of remembering it constantly.

    • Zach Sawyer

      Zach Sawyer

      2 giorni fa

      @Giorno GioStar Whatever man, I personally really enjoyed the game, surely not like the first. Also, if people consider TLoU 2 total garbage I really don't know how they can even play some of the other titles out there.

    • Giorno GioStar

      Giorno GioStar

      3 giorni fa

      @Zach Sawyer Yeah, we literally all got that message, problem was execution, no matter how good the message you are trying to tell is, with such garbage execution it becomes superficial.

    • Zach Sawyer

      Zach Sawyer

      3 giorni fa

      @Patrick Bateman ?

    • Patrick Bateman

      Patrick Bateman

      3 giorni fa

      Cry more

  57. Andrew

    Andrew

    3 giorni fa

    Star Trek The Next Generation is life.

  58. SuperStar 64

    SuperStar 64

    3 giorni fa

    7:18 Ok why is that important?

    • Patrick Bateman

      Patrick Bateman

      3 giorni fa

      Asking questions is a feminine trait

  59. Andrew

    Andrew

    3 giorni fa

    You're question to allergies is because of too much inbreeding and genetic mutations. Mix the gene pool or we won't evolve that's why. Stop being racists, get over it, evolve.

  60. Ankri

    Ankri

    3 giorni fa

    Why does everybody think that if a cure was made it would be a happy end for everyone? The cure would probably be used for control by those who make it. The community who holds the cure would subjugate other communities and live like kings. Ya know, some antiutopian type of stuff.

  61. Feathery Coffee

    Feathery Coffee

    3 giorni fa

    The only person I've seen actually like the game (except awards no one cares about) is videogamedunkey.

    • crazyinsane500

      crazyinsane500

      2 giorni fa

      Even then, it could be argued he doesn't like it because he was scrambling with half-thought out defenses of the game and ended up breaking mentally and becoming a react channel.

    • Alborz Ajeli

      Alborz Ajeli

      2 giorni fa

      probably because you live in an echo chamber?

  62. Judson Gaiden

    Judson Gaiden

    3 giorni fa

    3:27 He's right-handed, so why does he have his gas mask filter set up in left-handed configuration? How is it possible to get that wrong?! And why does it happen so often in video games?! Krieg from Borderlands 2. The Pyro from Team Fortress 2. Those are the most obvious examples. 5:06 Look at the position of her left thumb. You wanna get slide-bite? Cuz that's how you get slide-bite. 6:58 How did they forget that she's supposed to have a scar on her right eyebrow?! Are they even trying to maintain continuity?!

  63. dSim2310

    dSim2310

    3 giorni fa

    it hurts...but what can u do in these times..

  64. Robert Price

    Robert Price

    3 giorni fa

    itput.info/zone/video/ZqCKiZx50MmddpQ

  65. Arin Jäger

    Arin Jäger

    3 giorni fa

    nut allergies, lactose intolerance,... because people are degenerating, not evolving (not anymore)

  66. Black Ice

    Black Ice

    3 giorni fa

    Wait, TLOU had a sequel?!

  67. nofreebeer

    nofreebeer

    3 giorni fa

    eh I liked the game. Suppose the joke is on me for feeling I got my dollars worth.

  68. drinnik

    drinnik

    3 giorni fa

    It's a shame they never made a sequel to the Last of Us.

  69. Heavy Western

    Heavy Western

    3 giorni fa

    Blade Runner: "Is Deckard a replicant? Maybe, maybe not. All that matters is that he is no longer the hunter and is now the prey." BR 2049: "AHKCHULY..."

    • The Pillowhead

      The Pillowhead

      3 giorni fa

      Still love 2049 though

  70. The Pillowhead

    The Pillowhead

    3 giorni fa

    Heres the biggest takeaway from the situation, how do we know they could’ve made a cure? How do we know a cure would even work? What if it makes things worse? What if the cure only cures the physical traits of the Cordecyps BRAIN infection? So many problems with the fireflies.

  71. Arphemius

    Arphemius

    3 giorni fa

    Oh thank God, Drinker didn't buy into the bullshit about the Fireflies not being able to produce the vaccine. That fanfiction ruins the story anyway; and it would ruin the exact thing being talked about here. Although, I can't really say it's ambiguous. The cost of saving this one life is simply far too great to say that it is still excusable. It's maybe understandable for other people, flawed as they are, to make the choice he did, but it's simply too monstrous for me to just forgive. And I do think the fanfcition people on that level agree with me, since that's the reason they invented it in the first place. I have to disagree with the take on TLOU 2. Joel did deserve to die; if you can understand and forgive him for saving Ellie, you can understand and forgive the Fireflies for avenging their fallen as well as all of mankind, which is now doomed to die thanks to him. And Ellie was certainly right to be massively pissed that he doomed all of humanity to save her, without ever asking her, and then lying about it to avoid the confrontation like the coward he is. I certainly would want to sacrifice myself for the vaccine and I would resent anyone who Rose Tico'ed my attempt to save mankind. Any ambiguity that existed existed solely in the minds of the players. It would make no sense for Ellie or the Fireflies to just forgive Joel for what he did. What Joel did was unambiguously wrong, the game simply made the argument that a flawed, broken human being might actually do it. It's like the Betrayer in the new Doom games, who sacrificed his planet to hell so that his son would be brought back. TLOU was trying to make you sympathize with that type of character and his actions; even if in my case, it failed, I do recognize that it worked for many others (although it really shouldn't), so I recognize the quality of it even if I couldn't get anything out of it.

  72. JC Rising Late ʕ•ᴥ•ʔߛ ̋ l Verified l V l

    JC Rising Late ʕ•ᴥ•ʔߛ ̋ l Verified l V l

    3 giorni fa

    ☼ *so Oxford SHOULD be infecting healthy patients with **#COVID19**, and at this stage of the pandemic, for no medical or scientific benefit, but a possible mild sales edge then?* Lucky, bc that is what they *are* doing. Gr8 vid.

  73. JC Rising Late ʕ•ᴥ•ʔߛ ̋ l Verified l V l

    JC Rising Late ʕ•ᴥ•ʔߛ ̋ l Verified l V l

    3 giorni fa

    *heh. urinalysis.*

  74. troabarton89

    troabarton89

    3 giorni fa

    DLC made her gay, which affects the first game in a negative way. Sequel shits on the whole thing.

  75. Delirious Zora

    Delirious Zora

    3 giorni fa

    I honestly don't think there should've been a second game to the Last of Us. The series should've ended at the first game. Because the game itself was already amazing, and great, and left us with that impact. The second one felt like Neil was trying to challenge the thought process that most fans had about Joel being such a great guy and tried to challenge us for it. But what never came to their mind was that we didn't need a second game at all, just that he wanted to have an opposing view to most of the fan base. P.S. Ellie was always shown to have some bit of gayness, after the DLC of the first game. In the second game they shown the relationship between Ellie and whatever her name is, like any other straight couple. But my view point on that is, not every story needs a love interest, or a love conflict. Had the same feeling with Joel and that one chick that sacrificed herself.

  76. Santi Fresnel

    Santi Fresnel

    3 giorni fa

    The last of us, woke edition.

  77. Paul Martin

    Paul Martin

    3 giorni fa

    Spec ops the line does this well too.

  78. Del Spooner

    Del Spooner

    4 giorni fa

    To answer your question, more people are allergic to nuts because they are not nuts. They are legumes and this difference matters now. Legumes grow in the ground and the most common ones, peanuts, are soft shelled. This means they absorb whatever is in the ground. This used to be a good thing, when the ground was only nutrients. But fast forward to the cash grab 20th century and now every crop is optimized for profits. So you see, legume crops are alternate swapped with cotton crops. Cotton is sprayed with Glyphosates. Remember the little fact that Legumes absorb whatever is in the ground? Well guess what, people are sucking up metric tons of Glyphosates. Combine that with the fact that humans are weak minded and cant associate A with B when there is a delay. And so you have it. People now have auto-immune disorders, hyper allergic responses and all other manor of endocrine system dysfunction. You asked.

  79. No Man's Land

    No Man's Land

    4 giorni fa

    Can't wait for the last of us part 3. Where you carry on with ABBY and Ellie and because of the npcs you killed in that game. You also play as Karen who wants revenge for the NPC John you killed as Ellie as that's Karen's husband and the NPC you killed called Chad as Abby who's Karen's ex boyfriend.

  80. Kayden3

    Kayden3

    4 giorni fa

    The problem with Joel is he didn't let Ellie make her own decision. I am a father and I know if my kids wanted to make that sacrifice , I wouldn't stop them. The problem is the writers don't give that choice so no matter how it is justified the person who should be making that choice never gets the opportunity so the choice is made for them with no regard for their feelings and that is the ultimately a craptastic way to end things. By proving no one can make a choice unless they have gun in their hands, great worst way to write a story. I do agree the ambiguity works in that context, it still isn't his choice and that writing team sucks because they could have had a real emotional scene there but it's how it goes when your staff is fakes that they care about the person being empowered to make their own choice, unless they're gay of course. Which wouldn't happen if the worlds population was that bad off, but I digress. Pro tip, don't buy their games so you don't get let down any further, they fold as a studio and lesson taught. Hopefully.

    • Santi Fresnel

      Santi Fresnel

      3 giorni fa

      sometimes i get the feeling that a big proportion of the american population really wants to reedit the marxist experiment we had behind the iron curtain. Ask the cuban or venezuelan refugees what they think about socialism/marxism :))

  81. B1rds3y3

    B1rds3y3

    4 giorni fa

    7:17 “Ellie’s gay by the way.” Holy shit! That callback! I laughed for like 30 seconds straight!

  82. lizardking

    lizardking

    4 giorni fa

    She is gay whatttttttttt?

  83. No Man's Land

    No Man's Land

    4 giorni fa

    The second game was more about perspective, I don't think it disrespects the character or the ending from the first game, nor do I think it attempts to hamfist into you that what Joel did was wrong.

  84. Tsar Fox

    Tsar Fox

    4 giorni fa

    Ellie's gay by the way.

  85. Tsar Fox

    Tsar Fox

    4 giorni fa

    I'm of the opinion that Joel made the wrong call but, I'm not saying I'm 100% correct. I can see a reasonable person thinking he did the right thing. That's what made the game and its ending so damn good.

  86. Fernando Vasquez

    Fernando Vasquez

    4 giorni fa

    I consider his decision "Correct, but...". I kinda see why some person both inside the world and players think Joel did wrong, but ultimately it depends on the "How much do you trust fireflies?" question. In my case the answer is almost zero trust due to their inhability to find a cure without killing, so therefore I didn't feel particularly bad for theit death from Joel, specially since he had a genuine motivation. Still, it was necessary to outright kill them? Not really, but "That's what a man does", caring about and protecting the closer persons he has.

  87. Luke Ray

    Luke Ray

    4 giorni fa

    Is this a Dark Souls reference

  88. Jordan Newitt

    Jordan Newitt

    4 giorni fa

    Drinker, the real question is: can one be morally right if they haven't saved a zebra?

  89. David

    David

    4 giorni fa

    I just want to personally thank Neil Druccckkkman for giving me and my son a new cussword adjective. Whenever we want to say something is so messed up, beyond saving, embarrassingly simple minded. Instead of using the F swear word, we say "Dang, that is some drucked up stuff" or " He really drucked that up". Thank you Neil, I hope one day you get an entry into the dictionary with a proper definition. Anything other than your favorite phrase "subverting expectations". Although, that is now me and my sons second favorite phrase. Endless uses. We went to McDonald's drive through, ordered chicken nuggets, got a bag full of broken glass and cyanide. We looked at each other and laughed "well they certainly subverted our expectations didnt they"?

  90. Av8torman42

    Av8torman42

    4 giorni fa

    I don’t trust US game makers anymore to make anything interesting. I’m scared to see what they do with the Mass Effect reboot.

  91. Louis Greenland

    Louis Greenland

    4 giorni fa

    Speaking or moral ambiguity, you should do a video on Stanley Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange

  92. Canton Old

    Canton Old

    4 giorni fa

    Evolutionary dead ends often write badly, because they are going to die alone anyway; they have no reason to improve.

  93. Glass Grizzly Gaming

    Glass Grizzly Gaming

    4 giorni fa

    The last of us part two was the biggest bitch slap I've gotten from a sequel, I despised it. The way they ended Joel's story, the way they attempt to lecture their audience throughout the entire thing, and try to make us like a character who is JUST AS BAD AS THE CHARACTER THEY ARE TRYING TO LECTURE US ABOUT, but she has tits so it makes it fine that she does the things she does is just mind blowing. I'm also furious about how they ended Ellie's story as well. It was all around a complete mess that didn't build on the great foundation of a story they had going in the first one. I genuinely wish they had never made it in the first place.

  94. oliverlawton1

    oliverlawton1

    4 giorni fa

    Another great Analysis On a game and generally in human life

  95. Jm 115

    Jm 115

    4 giorni fa

    speaking of which, in my opinion, Little Nightmares 2 has perfected ambiguity.

  96. DigitalBerserk

    DigitalBerserk

    4 giorni fa

    Her babies can save humanity....(she is gay) ....well we had a good run.

  97. amigo

    amigo

    4 giorni fa

    It wasn't Joel's choice to make, it was ally's. I mean she even killed people she would be matured enough to make the call.

  98. Mog

    Mog

    4 giorni fa

    Im glad I opted out of last of us 2.

  99. Mittke88

    Mittke88

    4 giorni fa

    His choice is selfish, tho understandable. It's easy to judge him from the sidelines.

  100. Rathenn

    Rathenn

    4 giorni fa

    TLoU was quite fun to watch, never played it. TLoU2 looked like hot trash. Lost interest quickly. Fake awards from fake "gamers" that are really political activists in the guise of gaming journalists.

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